New Delhi, Nov 14: Deputy Chief of Air staff, Air Marshal V R Chaudhari and two other officers from Indian Air Force appeared in the Supreme Court Wednesday to assist it on the issue of the procurement of 36 Rafale fighter jets from France.
The officers appeared before a bench headed by Chief Justice Ranjan Gogoi had sought their assistance in the case.
"We are dealing with the requirements of the Air Force and would like to ask an Air Force officer on Rafale jets. We want to hear from an Air force officer and not the official of the Defence Ministry on the issue," the bench said when the Attorney General began his arguments on behalf of the Centre in the pre-lunch session Wednesday.
The bench, also comprising Justices S K Kaul and K M Joseph, asked the officials about latest induction in the Air Force.
They told the bench that Sukhoi 30s is the latest to be inducted which is a 3.5 generation aircraft and added that they do not have 4th or 5th generation aircraft.
The top court then said that "it means there has been no induction of aircrafts since 1985".
The hearing on the pleas seeking probe in the Rs 58,000 crore Rafale deal is currently underway.
The Centre, meanwhile, defended the secrecy clause related to the pricing of the 36 Rafale fighter jets in the Supreme Court on Wednesday and said it cannot divulge details of the deal.
These matters are for the experts to deal with and "we have been saying that even Parliament has not been told about the complete cost of jets", Attorney General K K Venugopal told a bench headed by Chief Justice Ranjan Gogoi.
The top law officer said the Centre has given in a sealed cover the complete details of the Rafale jets, the weapons to be fitted on the aircraft and other requirements.
The Centre on Monday had submitted to the apex court in a sealed cover, the pricing details of the Rafale jets.
Venugopal also told the apex court that the court is judicially not competent to decide what aircraft and weapons are to be bought as it is a matter for experts.
Defending the secrecy clause related to the pricing of the Rafale jets, he said,"Our adversaries may get advantages if the entire details on the pricing is disclosed."
Refusing to divulge details on the pricing aspect, Venugopal said he would not be able to assist the court further on the pricing issue.
"I decided not to peruse it myself as in a case of any leak, my office would be held responsible," he said.
While the Centre was making a submission on the issue of pricing, the bench, also comprising justices S K Kaul and K M Joseph, said any discussion on pricing of the Rafale fighter jets can only take place if the facts on the deal are allowed to come in the public domain.
"The decision we need to take is whether to bring the fact on pricing in public domain or not," the bench said.
The top court told the attorney general that without bringing the facts in public domain, there was no question of any debate on the pricing of the planes.
However, the bench clarified to the law officer that any discussion on price will be considered if it thinks that it should come in the public domain.
During the hearing, Venugopal said at the exchange rate of November 2016, the cost of a bare fighter jet was Rs 670 crore.
India signed an agreement with France for the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter aircraft in a fly-away condition as part of the upgrading process of the Indian Air Force equipment.
The estimated cost of the deal is Rs 58,000 crore.
The Rafale fighter is a twin-engine Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) manufactured by French aerospace company Dassault Aviation.
Venugopal said earlier, the jets were not to be loaded with requisite weapons system and the reservation of the government was due to the fact that it did not want to violate the clause of the Inter Government Agreement and the secrecy clause.
He also told the court that presently three countries France, Egypt and Qatar are flying Rafale fighter jets.
On the issue of lack of sovereign guarantee, the attorney general said though there is no sovereign guarantee, but there is a letter of comfort by France which would be as good as a governmental guarantee.
Venugopal concluded his argument saying that Rafale aircrafts are potent and "had we possessed Rafale during the Kargil war, we could have avoided huge casualties as Rafale is capable of hitting targets from a distance of 60 kms".
To this the bench said,"Mr. Attorney, Kargil was in 1999-2000? Rafale came in 2014."
The top law officer replied, "I said it hypothetically".
News24 Bureau/ PTI